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Author:  Stuz [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:26 pm ]
Post subject:  KJ-ZEM
Right as some of you know the KJ-ZEM is found in the xedos6/9 I'm doind a little research into whether it will fit in a BA as I think it would be a very neat conversion if it can be done. . .

There are many rumours aver the internet that it won't fit into anything full stop and therefore everyone is very scared of this engine.

If anyone has any info on it it would be greatly appreciated, I'm only interested in facts not fiction :lol:

[img]http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/890047/fullsize/miller02.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/890048/fullsize/miller04.jpg[/img]

heres a start. . . it IS a 60 degree V6, the cam pulleys drive the Exhaust cams not the intake cams like on the normal V6 ;)
Author:  andym323 [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
I'd have one if it were possible, been musing on the idea for years, as far as we found out last time this was discussed, its too tall for a 323F/Lantis engine bay, sadly :( They're not cheap to buy either and are uber rare, only fitted to the Xedos 9 here in the UK, and the Xedos 9 is based on the Millenia platform not the CBA platform the F and the Xedos 6 are based on!!
Author:  Stuz [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Here is some good news for you Andy. . . .they do come in the Xedos6 so therefore possibly not too tall for the 323F ;)

It just takes a little research and time and anything is possible, I genuinely don't think it will be too tall if the 2 intercoolers were taken off and the pipes routed differently.

Even if it was too tall there is no problem with an MX-5/6MPS style bulge in the bonnet to hint at a little power :lol:
Author:  andym323 [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Come on then, show me a Xedos 6 with that engine :) I'm dying to see it :D
Author:  Stuz [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
I swear there is one somewhere. . . I will find it :)
Author:  Stuz [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Nope there is not one, I must have got confused, anyway, it will still fit with a bit of messing around as the side engine mounts look to be in the same place. . . . people are on with fitting them to an MX-3 so surely will go in the BA :)
Author:  andym323 [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
It'll fit on the mounts ok, its just the height thats a problem :)
Author:  eogbaker [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
raise the back of the bonnet and it might fit
Author:  Stuz [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Noooo....that looks awful.

6MPS style bonnet anyone :lol:
Author:  323F Rock [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Wai did a fair bit of research to this until he gave up and bought a honda! :(
this is on engine swap i'd love to see! :D
Author:  HughieW [ Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
The height shouldn't be too much of an issue I don't think, as the block is a KL block basically, as are the heads - so the only thing to change the height would be the intake, SC and ICs. As Stu said, ICs can be swapped for a front-mount, then I reckon the intake manifold would probably clear the bonnet, but only just. That's all guesswork though based on how a KL fits :lol: obviously I haven't done it, so I don't know for sure!

Would be fun though ;)
Author:  RHRH [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
You could have different engine mounts made for the side mounts, the other 2 aren't an issue I'd say.

Then also either raise the bonnet at the back, or have a poly bonnet made to spec...

Nothing will not fit, it's just the amount of time and money that you've got to spend ofcourse...

Interesting engine this!
Author:  Stuz [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
It's a pretty amazing engine, I see no reason why I couldn't get a reliable 250bhp out of it too :)
Author:  protege [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Do it.

To give you an impression what a BJ with a bulge hood looks like. (Its a pre-facelift however)
[img]http://alternion.s3.amazonaws.com/user_files/3853/galleries/640x480_28724192d0d417751a1381409d532a281694eafea5b445d20417.jpg[/img]

Ehm, incredibly awesome.
Author:  Stuz [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Please put a warning before showing pictures like that, I have totally ruined a perfectly good pair of pants. . . .fancy doing a BA for us. . .
Author:  RHRH [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
PANTS WARNING!!!













[img]http://94.100.124.28/1439600001-1439650000/1439611501-1439611600/1439611587_6_vyvS.jpeg[/img]

Polyester made bonnet, has WORKING air vent... Is fully custom made, this was pure for venting air... could
be made bigger ofcourse. Seen it being made... I'm getting one made eventually, as it works bloody well!
Author:  andym323 [ Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Polyester! Interesting :) How much are they?
Author:  RHRH [ Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
Don't know actually, Ill ask the guy who makes them...
Author:  andym323 [ Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
:thumbright: Cheers dude :D
Author:  Wai.Cheung [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
I remember looking at the miller cycle engine with Roadster Robbie. He worked as a mechanic in the local Mazda dealership and there just happened to be a Xedos 9 with it's trousers down and the engine (half) out... the problem was not the height but the LENGTH of the engine... for whatever reason (can't remember now) the engine would have extruded out of the FRONT of the BA!! :evil:

We all know how little space there is in the engine BA of a V6 as it is but there are a lot more gubbins (technical term) and ancillaries that go with this engine.

Would be a good conversion to see as it would be truly unique but I think that you would lose the shape (and therefore one of the major character points) of the BA.

C'mon Andy; where's that ROTREX kit got to?!?

:lol:
Author:  Wai.Cheung [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
...and Nathan; it wasn't just ANY ol Honda! :p
Author:  Stuz [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
The physical size of the engine is EXAXTLY the same, it's a few bolt on parts that are different and some that can be removed and relocated. . .intercoolers for starters ;)
Author:  323F Rock [ Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
[quote="Wai.Cheung"]...and Nathan; it wasn't just ANY ol Honda! :p[/quote]

:lol: ahh very true an awesome 4 door integra :D
Author:  andym323 [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
[quote="Wai.Cheung"]C'mon Andy; where's that ROTREX kit got to?!?

:lol:[/quote]

Still at TTS chap :p TOOOOOOOO expensive, but, as usual, I have a plan :p
Author:  Dazp1 [ Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
There's a Xedos 9 2.3ltr for sale on gumtree for £850 at the moment and it's only done 60,000miles :D
Author:  PoP-i [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
[quote="RHRH"]
[img]http://94.100.124.28/1439600001-1439650000/1439611501-1439611600/1439611587_6_vyvS.jpeg[/img]

Polyester made bonnet, has WORKING air vent... Is fully custom made, this was pure for venting air... could
be made bigger ofcourse. Seen it being made... I'm getting one made eventually, as it works bloody well![/quote]
[quote="andym323"]Polyester! Interesting :) How much are they?[/quote]

Thx for the advertisment rhrh :lol:

I'f made this bonnet for my own GTX BA butt the owner of the green BA gave me a good price for this one so i sold it :P

depending on the finish it gonna cost around 400-500 euro (sanding takes ages)
If anyone want a bonnet like this just send me a PM.(i'm making it in holland so you if its need to go to the UK its gonna cost some sendingcost ;) )

i can make the scope to your wishes. big, small, no problem :)
love working with poly :wav:
Author:  lewp91 [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
seen the supercharged kl in a 323 state side? he mounted the charger infront of the engine, this would remove some of that height?
Author:  Shaggy [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KJ-ZEM
[quote="Wai.Cheung"]...and Nathan; it wasn't just ANY ol Honda! :p[/quote]

Twas a slow TR ;) x
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