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da2el
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:43 pm 
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Hi everyone,

I've installed all new suspension at the front
Eibach springs
KYB shocks and all other attachments.
Even the rubber rings under the spring from Mazda.

It all appeared to be well for a couple days but after a hot day pushing it I started to ear some noises when turning the wheel at low speed. For example when parking.
It feels like the wheel nuts were loosen and all would fall apart but things seem well attached.

What can it be? Do I need to re-tight everything?


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brucey76
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re-check everything, its very easy to miss something when doing a job like that. 1 loose nut or bolt can take a bit to work its way out and cause other parts to stress and come apart. Good practice to re-check everything after a day or so, finding a loose nut and re-tightening is lot easier and cheaper than finding one was missed after suspension collapses at 60mph over a bump


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da2el
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:28 pm 
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Just checked and everything seems to be well tight.. which makes it strange.
Does this sound normal to anyone?
I guess I'll have to take it to the mechanic to assemble all again. He told me "come in 1000miles for a check" but 100 were enough


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MadazInBris
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When the shock inserts were put in the locking collar up the top
needs to be tight REAL tight otherwise it will work its way loose very quickly. :?
The silver bits up the top - About 300 ft/lbs is TIGHT !!!
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That's my experience at least


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da2el
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:28 am 
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I've identified the noise origin
Is when I turn the steering wheel. The shock absorver accompanies the wheel turn but doing small jumps. Sounds like something jumping over rubber.

It is strange because only happens after the car being under high temperatures for a couple of hours. At night everything feels much more stiff.
Probably re-tight everything after sun exposure will be the best


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MadazInBris
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:41 am 
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The bearings in the strut tops can fail /seize :(

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maZZda
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:12 pm 
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They are plastic sliding bearings.. if they are dry" (without any grease) the stickiness could happened...
Or they can be for changing..
I don't want to think that they are frogotten from the mechanic when they put the new suspension..


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da2el
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:37 pm 
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dry bearings :) seems plausible
I believe they are there... At least the old ones were taken out and new ones were on the KYB strut tops box
So it has to be disassemble


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da2el
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:15 am 
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I'm back. The bearings were greased the first time so it is not from there.

The car was all re-tightened but it seems that the spring is not perfectly sit yet.
If I hug it with my hands and try to shake it, it moves a little bit like it is still trying to find its place

The noise happens only after great sun exposure. In a cold day there are no noises... :?
I will keep running it and see if all parts naturally fit its place


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Quote:
but it seems that the spring is not perfectly sit yet.


If the internal shock absorbers were replaced with INCORRECT SHORTER ones
OR your springs are TOO SHORT this will be the problem.. :roll:

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da2el
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:45 am 
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the parts were bought specifically for this model
when I say they move is just like 1milimiter
I believe is more the flexibility of the rubbers allowing the sping to find its fit
(don't really know how to explain it... lol)


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MadazInBris
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I really missed the mark with my previous post (lol)

Ok... If your Eibach springs are not SUPER LOW but your shock absorbers
ARE a short stroke type then you need LONGER shock absorbers...

Or... Lower springs !!

The springs should be under approx 20lbs (min) of pressure when fitted
That means under compression with NO free play & you can't move them !

Something as ^^ above is not right - Springs or the strut inserts... :doubt:

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da2el
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:31 pm 
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upper spring seat... it might be it...
I found that this part is pointing different directions on right and left side and none of them seems correct

can you please confirm that this is the correct way of installing the upper spring seat?

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da2el
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:39 am 
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can some one confirm my childish drawing?
as they're not aligned at the moment I'm inclusive worried of driving it.......


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maZZda
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Can you first say the model and year of the vehicle that
Has this problems?
If it's a 323 BA i think i can help with info,but that may not be enough..
Also you're talking for when turning the steering wheel you hear the sound, with how many nuts are the strut topmounts? 3 or4?I think that on BA all are with 3, but maybe i'm wrong!??
Is there any difference in force now when turning the wheel than before??Is there any difference when turning and the sound is present,and when not??


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da2el
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:05 pm 
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Of course we are talnking about a BA... we are on the BA section ;)
its a 1995 - 1.5
The noise is almost gone... I believe the springs have now sit on their proper positions and are tighter
My only doubt right now is if what I've draw is correct because for the moment the upper spring seats were mounted without criteria... stupid mechanics :evil:


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maZZda
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:01 pm 
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I don't have any better pic really:

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Here (when i purchased lowering springs for my F a while ago) you can see,it's barely visible because of the noise of the pic but still you can see the upper cup that holds the spring it has a little curve on its edge.That is the right position of the cup.this curve is pointing outwards of the cars body.
That i can do right now for you.
I hope i helped you. :)


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da2el
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:58 am 
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maZZda that picture confirms mine
the cutted part stays inner, the rounded part stays outer ;)
I'm gonna get this fixed soon...


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maZZda
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I'm not sure that this is the faulty part causing the problem.
You know, it rotates with the whole shock absorber and hub carrier when turning the wheel right?
So if as you say the flat side is inwards when turned it will rotate as anything else below the bearing..
I believe that it was with a hub centric hole for the shock and the cup is round, but not 100% sure for the round..


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da2el
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yes, anything under the bearing will rotate but if the flat of the upper spring seat isn't on its correct place, the spring can be making a different force
the hole for the shock absorber piston is not at the exact center of the upper spring seat


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maZZda
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da2el wrote:
the hole for the shock absorber piston is not at the exact center of the upper spring seat


i meant "eccentric" as we say it.. :laughing6:
it's realy with offset,yes.


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da2el
PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:19 pm 
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I haven't posted here yet but there you have the click noise that I feel if I turn the steering to one side and then turn it to the other side

https://youtu.be/5cE39xIKx7g

My latest theory is that the bottom coils touch producing the noise.

In the meantime I've complaint to Eibach that sent me hose to put around the coils.
The noise is now not so loudable but still there...

Nobody else using Eibach -30mm with this issue? Do you think the spring can be damaged?


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maZZda
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That may be the paint of the springs rubbing in to the rubber pads..
Spray them with WD40 and test the spring like in the clip to remove any doubts.
I've had same issue, not on car springs but still, fresh paint do tend to be sticky against rubber(fresh rubber)..

Edit: You shouldn't be able to move the spring when the car is down on its wheels..
This is on a stand, right?
2-nd Edit: maybe the rubber pad is rubbing into the shock lower cup!?
Make them die from wd40 :badgrin:


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