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jinglebells
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About a year ago Autotrader had about 70 323s for sale. I've watched it go down, and today, it's down to just 26.

What on earth happened?
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HMT
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I would assume to the wreckers...


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maZZda
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As i said before, they are all here (exept the ones in junkyards) :lol: :lol:


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Probably to the scrappers, most of them. Which is why I'm grabbing parts as often as I find them, particularly Mazda branded bits such as the rear plastic strip, which as far I'm aware are no longer replaceable from Mazda (and certainly not found at your average parts store).

According to the "How many left" website (which relies on registration data), GXi numbers are dropping by about 300 per quarter. In the 3rd quarter of 2016 there were only 2650 registered and 413 SORN. At this rate, in a couple of years we're looking at hardly any left on the road.

So here's hoping Sundance passes the MOT in March! :shock:

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Hmm, still 2,650 of mine. https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/mazda_323f_gxi

Don't know how much longer she'll be about though. :oops:

Only 107 of my BMW though! :shock: https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/b ... rt_touring
Which is ironic given how many 3 series there are on the road!

And 295 of my particular rx-8 https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/mazda_rx-8_evolve

So the 323F is my most commonly occurring car :lol:

maZZda wrote:
As i said before, they are all here (exept the ones in junkyards) :lol: :lol:


Probs quite true that :badgrin:


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I think they're getting to that stage of being old cars but pre-classic, so most will just be scrapped or begun to be broken for spares as parts become scarce.

The ZXi is down to 145 :(

My bike is down to 84 left (and that's a 2001 not some old '70's rarity!) and my van is down to..... 17!!?!?! :lol:


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jinglebells
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Today there are 29

... and that includes 3 BG's !!


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jinglebells
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jinglebells wrote:
Today there are 29

... and that includes 3 BG's !!


... and today there are only 18 of the 323s on Autotrader! This is disastrous!


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HMT
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Similar here in Germany. The market for these cars is very small.
Only very rarely someone is really looking for a 323 as a collectible.

Mazda is also not really helping with their policy on old cars and people over here are mainly focussing on german, italian, french and (even) british (!) :D classic cars before they are looking at japanese ones. And even then, there are Toyota, Honda and Nissan before people think about Mazda.
The few sad examples that are still on the market are mostly used up cheap beaters that have been used by poor people or people that just dont care about their cars and therefore have not been looked after for the last 10 years...
This also means that you can pick up some gems foe peanuts but you will have to put serious work into them. Also, material quality and rust do not help...


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HMT wrote:
Similar here in Germany. The market for these cars is very small.
Only very rarely someone is really looking for a 323 as a collectible.

Mazda is also not really helping with their policy on old cars and people over here are mainly focussing on german, italian, french and (even) british (!) :D classic cars before they are looking at japanese ones. And even then, there are Toyota, Honda and Nissan before people think about Mazda.
The few sad examples that are still on the market are mostly used up cheap beaters that have been used by poor people or people that just dont care about their cars and therefore have not been looked after for the last 10 years...
This also means that you can pick up some gems foe peanuts but you will have to put serious work into them. Also, material quality and rust do not help...



Hi,

I was about to ask this question, or make exactly the same point because I had been thinking about it today. The situation is similar in Australia, albeit with more cars surviving (or potentially surviving) due to rust not being such an issue.

People here also focus on the Australian, British, and Euros before the Japanese, with a few exceptions. This is because, in older cars, people are looking for more 'character' than reliability and are prepared to put up with the foibles the new car crowd won't. The Ford Escort (70's) market has gone crazy over here. not because it was a great small car at the time, but because it is seen as a 'fun' car now due to its innate good handling plus spares availability.

So some Japanese cars with character or panache that have followings (60's-70's-80's) comprise such things as the Datsun 1600, Mazda rotaries, Datsun 240Z, Toyota Celicas, Honda Civics, Toyota Land Cruisers, Subaru Brumby.

Others I see being classics into the future include the Mazda 121 'bubble car,' Mazda RX-7, RX-8, more Toyota Celicas (esp. GT-4), Honda Prelude, Nissan 200SX, Subaru WRX. And of course the MX-5 which gave us everything the MGB promised plus reliability and build quality.

So in Oz people do think of Mazda before other Japanese makes due mainly to the rotaries.

However the 323/Astina/Lantis/BA is not much more than a slightly upmarket 5-door hatch. It's not really outstanding in character, or performance, or handling. As a result it retains a level of anonymity that means it is unlikely to be sought after and therefore will basically disappear, apart from maybe one or two isolated example that happen to survive.

In Oz the situation is more hopeful simply because lack of rust will mean more examples survive both as running cars and as parts donors. The innate reliability and robustness, along with the fact it was not seen as a 'family hack' nor sen now as a 'boy racer' plus with seemingly quite a few cossetted examples out there will stand the model in good stead into the future.

If I manage to hang on to mine for only 6 more years (from January) it will be eligible for Oz "historic car" plates (30+ years old)

Patrick


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HMT
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Well, the last point is actually also what i am aiming for.
With regulations for new cars going crazy and the "electric revolution" around the corner i really am aiming to steer my BA towards historic plates as well, mostly because at least for now historic cars are excluded from some restrictions and i expect quite a lot of restrictions for fossil fuel cars popping up once the german car industry has their electric cars ready since the government is really pushing them at the moment...


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120 ZXi's left, plus 105 SORN'd :doubt:

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pitrack_1 wrote:

Hi,

I was about to ask this question, or make exactly the same point because I had been thinking about it today. The situation is similar in Australia, albeit with more cars surviving (or potentially surviving) due to rust not being such an issue.

People here also focus on the Australian, British, and Euros before the Japanese, with a few exceptions. This is because, in older cars, people are looking for more 'character' than reliability and are prepared to put up with the foibles the new car crowd won't. The Ford Escort (70's) market has gone crazy over here. not because it was a great small car at the time, but because it is seen as a 'fun' car now due to its innate good handling plus spares availability.

So some Japanese cars with character or panache that have followings (60's-70's-80's) comprise such things as the Datsun 1600, Mazda rotaries, Datsun 240Z, Toyota Celicas, Honda Civics, Toyota Land Cruisers, Subaru Brumby.

Others I see being classics into the future include the Mazda 121 'bubble car,' Mazda RX-7, RX-8, more Toyota Celicas (esp. GT-4), Honda Prelude, Nissan 200SX, Subaru WRX. And of course the MX-5 which gave us everything the MGB promised plus reliability and build quality.

So in Oz people do think of Mazda before other Japanese makes due mainly to the rotaries.

However the 323/Astina/Lantis/BA is not much more than a slightly upmarket 5-door hatch. It's not really outstanding in character, or performance, or handling. As a result it retains a level of anonymity that means it is unlikely to be sought after and therefore will basically disappear, apart from maybe one or two isolated example that happen to survive.

In Oz the situation is more hopeful simply because lack of rust will mean more examples survive both as running cars and as parts donors. The innate reliability and robustness, along with the fact it was not seen as a 'family hack' nor sen now as a 'boy racer' plus with seemingly quite a few cossetted examples out there will stand the model in good stead into the future.

If I manage to hang on to mine for only 6 more years (from January) it will be eligible for Oz "historic car" plates (30+ years old)

Patrick


Hi Patrick

Saw your post

I'm in Canberra too!!.
Like most old cars the Astinas will eventually be scrapped.
But as you mentioned a few cosseted examples will survive as bought up and owned by "i always wanted one of those" type people. This was me.
I have a faithful fun but rough around the edges BG SP. Bought it for coins and it had had buckets spent on the important stuff. Love it..So much fun and I dont have to be precious about it.

I also have a 97 BA manual v6 hatch in white. Gorgeous car to drive. Lowered with later SP wheels, nice tint, etc. Personally I don't think the car has dated, but that could well be because of my owner's goggles..

I think what will save certain 323s will be the "performance variants", that just have so much more street presence than the lesser models. Think E36 BMWs M3 vs 2 door 318!!

In terms of future value if any..My pick is a good original BG SP, and the rare Series3 BA V6 hatch in manual. (thats not why I have one, I just personally love the style, the drive, and the reliability.) Plus it has a few modern safety feature too.

Anyway I replied to your comments cos a) you are in the ACT and b) I sometimes wonder about my views on my Astinas' future value and desirability..


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whitev6 wrote:
Hi Patrick

Saw your post

I'm in Canberra too!!.
Like most old cars the Astinas will eventually be scrapped.
But as you mentioned a few cosseted examples will survive as bought up and owned by "i always wanted one of those" type people. This was me.
I have a faithful fun but rough around the edges BG SP. Bought it for coins and it had had buckets spent on the important stuff. Love it..So much fun and I dont have to be precious about it.

I also have a 97 BA manual v6 hatch in white. Gorgeous car to drive. Lowered with later SP wheels, nice tint, etc. Personally I don't think the car has dated, but that could well be because of my owner's goggles..

I think what will save certain 323s will be the "performance variants", that just have so much more street presence than the lesser models. Think E36 BMWs M3 vs 2 door 318!!

In terms of future value if any..My pick is a good original BG SP, and the rare Series3 BA V6 hatch in manual. (thats not why I have one, I just personally love the style, the drive, and the reliability.) Plus it has a few modern safety feature too.

Anyway I replied to your comments cos a) you are in the ACT and b) I sometimes wonder about my views on my Astinas' future value and desirability..


Hi whitev6,

I did see a pristine white 323 near the airport one day a few months' ago...didn't catch up so wonder if it was you! If someone flashes/honks/waves at you from a Mazda 3, it'll likely be me :-)

My white 323 is in Sydney so you're not likely to see it.

As for the future value of the BA 323... I don't see it becoming a sought after model as such. Desire for a particular car seem to be created by some cachet (exotic), race-proven performance (XU-1/L34/A9X Toranas), design or other charisma/personality(121 bubble cars, Minis, Mokes), or perhaps popularity combined with driveability/modifiabilty (Datsun 1600, Escorts).

But there is also the reminiscing effect where people pursue the cars of their youth plus a small band of enthusiasts for pretty well any particular model As the BA 323 is quite stylish, high quality, well built, economical, easy to fix/repair and reliable I think there will be a small band of people who pursue them. In doing so it's usually the performance and/or upmarket models that are the most sought after.

As for yours, given it is the upmarket performance model (v6 manual astina in a later model) I think it's quite likely that yours will have a small but dedicated market. Certainly I think it is the pick/preferential model of the BA range. I've been watching gumtree and any v6 manual with low klms is snapped up pretty quickly. If you keep a hold of yours and keep it in good nick it will certainly hold a bit of value and maybe even appreciate into the future. Just don't expect $6-figures, at least not anytime soon! :D

But remember: the main value is what you said you get out of it (the style, the drive, and the reliability)! :thumbright:


Patrick


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I agree entirely Patrick, and you articulate the future landscape very well..

One of my favourite references is that of the Mazda 1500 which is a lovely timeless Bertone designed model..

The BA being similar, was actually penned by ex Porsche designers and I cant believe how few peeps see the greatness of shape.. But I guess thats why every car i have ever bought has eventually become appreciated..
(I own 15 "classics")
A nicely set up BA in the right colour (even a 4...just) is actually quite beautiful, and can stand its ground in even the most admired company..

My BA is hardly low km at 260000km, but still so strong and tight.. That said I have a tasty short rebuilt 2.5 ready to go in...Now that will be some kit!!!


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Hi again whitev6,
just to revist an earlier message of yours...

whitev6 wrote:
I have a faithful fun but rough around the edges BG SP. Bought it for coins and it had had buckets spent on the important stuff. Love it..So much fun and I dont have to be precious about it.

I loved those astina hatches since they came out. Not only the sleek look, but the obvious build & material quality.

whitev6 wrote:
I also have a 97 BA manual v6 hatch in white. Gorgeous car to drive. Lowered with later SP wheels, nice tint, etc. Personally I don't think the car has dated, but that could well be because of my owner's goggles..

(and more recently)
whitev6 wrote:
One of my favourite references is that of the Mazda 1500 which is a lovely timeless Bertone designed model..

The BA being similar, was actually penned by ex Porsche designers and I cant believe how few peeps see the greatness of shape.. But I guess thats why every car i have ever bought has eventually become appreciated..

I think your goggles are almost correct! I think the BA hatch has dated... but very, very well. I've looked at mine in profile from a distance and also said "that still doesn't look half-bad today." The overall shape and proportions are excellent and will age well into the future. The weakest point I think is the front. The "eyes" (headlights) are sort of narrow ovals set somewhat inwards with the wrap-around guards. With no grille it gives it a squinty look similar to the NX Coupe of the 90's which the media once described as looking "like a dog with a bucket around its head." I thought that was rather harsh, until I realised I agreed with it! The 323 is similar, but less so.

And yes, bigger wheels are need to fill those arches (and that's coming from someone who doesn't like upsizing wheels).

whitev6 wrote:
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In terms of future value if any..My pick is a good original BG SP, and the rare Series3 BA V6 hatch in manual. (thats not why I have one, I just personally love the style, the drive, and the reliability.) Plus it has a few modern safety feature too.

I think you're right about both of those. I'd like an airbag and ABS on mine too.

whitev6 wrote:
One of my favourite references is that of the Mazda 1500 which is a lovely timeless Bertone designed model..

I'd always noticed those since I was a kid (they pre-date me) & that explains why. I realise now they used to remind me of the Italian/European sedans of the similar period.

Funnily enough, the BG sedan of the early 90's I also though was quite pretty- a simple, well-proportioned wedge/box shape that reminded me of the Audi 80/M-B 190E/BMW E30 series of the time.

whitev6 wrote:
My BA is hardly low km at 260000km, but still so strong and tight.. That said I have a tasty short rebuilt 2.5 ready to go in...Now that will be some kit!!!

That should be fun...how does this go with the regulators nowadays? They seem to have tightened things so much even uttering the word "modify" is enough to get you defected off the road.

Cheers,

Patrick


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jinglebells wrote:
jinglebells wrote:
Today there are 29

... and that includes 3 BG's !!


... and today there are only 18 of the 323s on Autotrader! This is disastrous!


... and today only 13 323s, including a BG 3door (which isn't really an "F") 8)


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jinglebells wrote:
jinglebells wrote:
jinglebells wrote:
Today there are 29

... and that includes 3 BG's !!


... and today there are only 18 of the 323s on Autotrader! This is disastrous!


... and today only 13 323s, including a BG 3door (which isn't really an "F") 8)


Even more disastrous! Today there are only 7 Mazda 323s for sale on Autotrader! (All BJs.)
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SerenaJ
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As a silver lining it's great at shows, though, as every 323F there will be one of ours - it's super-easy to spot people in the queue! :lol:

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